Everything we experience is created, and almost all artists only call themselves artists after systems define them as such. In an effort to expose the true value of art, Michaell Magrutsche joins Tom in a two-part discovery and exploration of humanity and the confines of systems. Tom and Michaell challenge what is really of value.

Michaell is an outside the box thinker, resolving the paradox: Why are 95% of worldwide artists existing around the poverty level. Without creativity there are no man-made systems and there would be no world as we know it. Michaell challenges how individuals are diminishing their human worth as we conform to political, religious, monetary and many other systems.

Michaell presents a perspective on art outside of systems, arguing that solutions create more problems because we are still too unaware of our human potential and our habitat, nature. This episode is a chance to contemplate the importance of art & creativity for the human potential.

For more information on Michaell, his art, book publications, and podcast, visit michaellm.com and listen to the second part of the conversation in the next episode.